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#1 10-15-2010, 03:26 PM

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Something I've been meaning to do, but never got around to it.....



http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=62057



"There is nothing like being a UK football fan. We are an incredibly passionate sports fanbase, and we back our winners as strongly as any college fanbase in the country. But included in that passion is a yearly balloon deflater known as the Kentucky football team. Even the best team at Kentucky in the last 30 years, the 2007 team, lost heartbreakers to Florida and Tennessee and had a completely flat performance on homecoming against Mississippi State. Because I am clearly a glutton for punishment, take a trip down memory lane below, and feel your heart break a total of 24 times in the last 8 seasons."



I sure hope this doesn't happen this Saturday.





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#2 10-15-2010, 04:20 PM

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The truly sad thing is that there are other heartbreaking losses that predate the list.



Tulane in the early 80's.



Bama when Curry was their coach.



Wurford from UF.



I'm just numb to it all by now.





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#3 10-15-2010, 05:22 PM

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I'm not joining this Fellowship of the Miserable.





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#4 10-15-2010, 05:48 PM

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So who is miserable?



In spite of all of that horrible history, I'm still pretty upbeat which should be surprising after all that has happened. If you want to ignore the past, you're probably doomed to repeat it. Everyone should be aware and swear not to let it happen again.





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#5 10-15-2010, 05:54 PM

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-Hmm. and right after I just finished my thought in the "Over it now" thread.



-If Brown can get over his fears, and can call gameplans that ATTACK the other team, we can start winning more games.

-Recall my incredibly simple, but incredibly accurate philosophy. "As often as possible, make your plays, and their mistakes, on the OTHER side of the line of scrimmage."

Sounds overly simple, but that's what makes it so effective. Call plays to force the other team to react to you. We need to quit coaching defense and calling like we're the "Rocky Balboa" of football. Quit signing up to take a pounding, and then trusting on our efficient offense to pull back into it.

Blitz, fake blitz, press up in coverage, then drop off. Surge at the LOS to maybe get a few false starts. Be unpredictable!!! Force the opponent into audible by lining up 8 on the LOS and then send only three or four.

HIT THE QB EARLY.



One of the greatest, unappreciated facets of pressuring and getting into the backfield is to pound on the QB. It's what makes the corner blitz so nasty. SURE, the QB can dump it off, or hit a hot read, but the Corner usually comes in untouched and gets to level the guy. Get a couple of good hits on the guy and you'll see the effectiveness of those fake blitzes increase, (As we've seen from our QBs). You'll see those audible come a little quicker, and that ball seem a little hotter in the guy's hand as that pocket patience start eroding. He starts trying to get rid of it before routs develop, etc.



DO WHAT WINNING COACHES DO AND YOU'LL BE A WINNING COACH!!!



-And will someone, anyone, any of you fine folks that are close to the program remind them that, just in case they just don't see any way they can throw for that 3rd and 12, just run a draw. You've got good backs, they might just make a play. Not that I don't want you to throw, but I think I can speak for a lot of fans when I say that, if you ain't gonna go to the sticks, if you're gonna run three WRs on the play and only one of them has a route that gets the distance.... just run a draw. At least concede the down by giving one of those talented backs a chance to make someone miss.

If nothing else, look at how much success our opponents get out of doing it to us.





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#6 10-15-2010, 07:45 PM

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So who is miserable?



Those that want to wallow in miserable games IMO.





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#7 Yesterday, 06:56 AM

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Those that want to wallow in miserable games IMO.



Yep, the only time I would ever bring those things up is in a conversation about how we are due.





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#8 Yesterday, 09:21 AM

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I must've been mistaken. I'm sorry. Those games never happened. Must've been some other team.



Love the "circle the wagons" mentality.



Here's how Teamspeedkills sees us, pointing out there is hope.



"The good news for Kentucky is that the hardest part of their schedule is almost over. After playing South Carolina in Lexington this weekend -- and the Cats always play the Gamecocks close -- the games left on the slate are Georgia, at Mississippi State, Charleston Southern, Vanderbilt and at Tennessee. Even accounting for Kentucky's difficult beating the Vols and an improving Mississippi State, the odds are good that the Cats can find at least the three wins they need to make their first trip to the postseason of the Joker Phillips Era."



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#9 Yesterday, 12:31 PM

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I must've been mistaken. I'm sorry. Those games never happened. Must've been some other team.



Love the "circle the wagons" mentality.





That's changing the subject. No one's denying they happened. It's why dwell on negatives before a big game? Makes zero sense. Bring it up in January.





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#10 Yesterday, 02:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by baldcat

Tulane in the early 80's.



I was at that game in the Superdome. That wasn't just a shocker - it was an out-and-out case of blatant home cookin' and thievery. Thirty years later, and I ain't over it...





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#11 Yesterday, 02:22 PM

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I've heard that argument before when I was in charge of putting Quality Management into place at work.



What does this have to do with a big game tonight? Will a discussion cause us to win or lose the big game? Hardly.



There are some lessons learned to be gleaned from the information provided by the KSR artilce.



1. Poor defense isn't just a Steve Brown thing. It has been going on for years under many different coaches. Yet, a lot of people are calling for his head.



2. Looking at these losses should tell us it is more mental than anything. Or, maybe not. How do we deal with that? Simply changing coaches hasn't worked. Brooks talked about changing the culture. Why can't we? Because we have a big game?



3. The article only goes back to 2002, yet those of us who've been around since the 50s know that these kinds of losses have been going on for years and years and caused many tears. There are ways to anlayze this. Breaking down such loses into several categories is one way and doing some Root Cause Analysis may come up with an answer and perhaps a solution. For example, not all of these kinds of losses can be laid on the defense. The offense has failed us in some, like UT in Woodson's last year.



Breaking down these losses will result in some facts: The Offense lost this many, the Defense lost that many. I know of several games where the officials cost us a game. The two interception penalties down at Tulane is one example with Tulane kicking a field goal with no time on the clock. That loss was clearly on the shoulders of the officials.



All the games listed are games we either should have won or could have won. We've had two this year that fall into those two categories. Losing to Auburn with two seconds to go is a game we could have won. Losing at Ole Miss because of turnovers and penalties is a game we should have won. Mark Higgs running the ball up the middle for four straight plays against Tennessee is another game we should have won.



I don't see how tonight's game has anything to do with the issue. It may turn out that it does have something to do with it: a "coulda or shoulda" won game. Make no mistake, I want Kentucky to win. I sincerely hope that if it turns out to be a "coulda-shoulda" game it is USC fans who are doing the "coulda-shoulda" routine. When teams beat UK in basketball, they usually lose the next game. I hope that happens to USC after beating Bama.





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#12 Yesterday, 04:43 PM

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The fans didn't cheer hard enough or loud enough. That's why UK lost all of those games.



Didn't you know that???



Oh...and they did the wave...that caused a loss of 43.4 prospective points per loss.





Darn those fans! Poo on them all.





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#13 Yesterday, 05:00 PM

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The fans didn't cheer hard enough or loud enough.



If we don't earn our 3.9 (current Sagarin homefield average), and I call it out, it deserves to be mocked over and over and over again.





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#14 Yesterday, 06:19 PM

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3.9 points are meaningless in the history of UK losses.



In the games that I've seen wherein UK lost to an opponent by 3 points or less, the fans were going wild in the stands. That UK/LSU game. The fans were going absolutely ape****. Still UK lost. I think that was the first or second Saban season.



I'm sure that the fans were on it during the recent Auburn game as well. At least in the second half, when there was something about which to cheer.



When UK is being ABSOLUTELY STOMPED by UF by a score of 49 Zip or 72 to 12, 3.9 points don't amount to a hill of beans.



And the latter is more often than not the case with UK and serious opponents in football.



So I have to laugh and ridicule the notion that fans cause any kind of detriment to the program.



So, it must be the moon or the stars or fate or destiny or, possibly, UKAA doesn't care about the Football program except in so far as it is a cash cow in it's connection with SEC Football.





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#15 Yesterday, 06:31 PM

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Quote:

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I was at that game in the Superdome. That wasn't just a shocker - it was an out-and-out case of blatant home cookin' and thievery. Thirty years later, and I ain't over it...



Nov 1, 1980 24-22.

If I remember correctly, they changed to rule to only 10 yard penalty and auto 1st down.

They went all the way on 3 passes.

Listen to it when it was called by Cawood.





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#16 Yesterday, 06:47 PM

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Quote:

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The fans didn't cheer hard enough or loud enough. That's why UK lost all of those games.



Didn't you know that???



Oh...and they did the wave...that caused a loss of 43.4 prospective points per loss.





Darn those fans! Poo on them all.



You forgot the beach balls.





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#17 Today, 02:29 AM

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"I don't see how tonight's game has anything to do with the issue. It may turn out that it does have something to do with it: a "coulda or shoulda" won game. Make no mistake, I want Kentucky to win. I sincerely hope that if it turns out to be a "coulda-shoulda" game it is USC fans who are doing the "coulda-shoulda" routine."



I am very pleased to announce that Visor Boy and all USC fans get to do the "coulda-shoulda" routine instead of us.





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#18 Today, 03:43 AM

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Fans today were worth more than 3.9. We did very well.



I was wrong about last week also. We did better than 3.9, it wasn't enough, I ate (kilbasa) crow.





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#19 Today, 10:05 AM

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There were two results from last night's game that indicate a slow changing of the culture. The obvious one was that we beat the great Steve Spurrier for the first time in 17 tries.



From KSR's Thomas Beisner:



" - Here is my favorite stat of the night: UK is now 3-1 on the last four Big Blue Madness weekends and has beaten LSU, Auburn and South Carolina on those Saturdays."



http://kentuckysportsradio.com/?p=62210



This a very goor read and sums up my emotions as good as anything I've read so far.





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#20 Today, 11:33 AM

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How lucky I am to be a Kentucky fan, albeit many times more a Kentucky basketball fan. God has, only a little less, blessed the football program. I say God please bless the posts of Watchtower, Katmendo, and Dawood in this thread.



Every Kentucky fan should have a friend like my good friend, WildcatRick. Rick camps out first in line and claims good BBM tickets and sets up a wonderful www.wildcatnation.net tailgate the next day for the football game. Rick got Jeanie and me tickets just a couple of years ago and we enjoyed first row tickets for BBM, the tailgate party parking and first row seats for the LSU football upset the next day. It was a "best UK weekend" for us and being there with Rick and his many friends was great.



UK fans pack Commonwealth Stadium on fall afternoons week after week. They are fanatics! They may work many different jobs but have a tie to the University of Kentucky that puts recreation- the sense of being recreated in our spare times.



It is so evident to this UK Alumnus that God has special blessings for UK football fans.



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From: Clay Vice

Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 14:44

Subject: Fw: we are the survivors













Very nostalgic....................and a real eye-opener for today's kids!!!



















No matter what our kids and the new generation think about us,

WE ARE AWESOME !!!!

OUR LIFE IS LIVING PROOF !!!!





To Those of Us Born

1930 - 1979





At the end of this email is a quote of the month by Jay Leno. If you don't read anything else, please

Read what he said.









Very well stated, Mr. Leno..









TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED THE

1930's, 40's, 50's,

60's and 70's!!



















We were put to sleep on our tummies in baby cribs covered

With bright colored lead-base paints.








We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, locks on doors or cabinets and when we rode our bikes,

We had baseball caps

Not helmets on our heads.









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Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team.

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~

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