David Kaelin's reply to the recent Pat Buchanan thread on American history ,,, Thx Dave K!

David Kaelin	6:20 AM (23 minutes ago)
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I would argue that taking down a few hundred statues of Generals which are on PUBLIC LANDS who fought AGAINST the United States of America and who fought for the ENSLAVEMENT of the ancestors of current Citizens of the United States of America is not erasing history.

I would make the same argument regarding taking down the Confederate Battle Flags from public spaces.

I don't want the taxes which the government forces me to pay going for maintenance of statues to people who fought for the continuation of slavery. I don't see descendants of Veterans of the Army of the Potomac or the Armies of the West having a great desire to be taxed to maintain statues of men who fought against their ancestors.

Perhaps, it is just me but should not America be promoting AMERICAN values and not Confederate values?

Should be not be memorializing folks who fought for freedom as opposed to folks who fought for the continuance of slavery?

Are we going to start memorializing the Unabomber and Tim McVeigh next? They were anti-Federal Government as well.

Should we erect statues to Stalin and Mao along side those of Jefferson Davis and Alexander Stephens?  Perhaps, a statue to Che and Fidel next to those. Then we can get to work on memorializing Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

Awesome sauce....Dave 

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Sam Kegley <skegley.kegley@gmail.com>	6:41 AM (2 minutes ago)
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I know that you maintain a point of view which often might run counter to my own, David.  I know you think things out. with a well-practiced mind. I respect that.  You have been a soldier and a contractor employee and Afghan soldier trainer for decades in the Middle East.  

I trust that we will remain friends throughout our time on earth.  I love you, brother.  

I agree with President Trump that the mob scene was evil on both sides.  I suspect Soros, whom I am sure supports Wahhabi

 ideology with the Saudis.  The mention of Wahhabi comes from our first lengthy discussion at an SEC tournament years ago.  

Soros likes unrest in all parts of this world, especially in America.  It is time to come together.  The Civil War is over.  Let the Alts fight it among themselves.

A truth that hurts in the history of man ... Thx Paul C!

 

If We Erase Our History, Who Are We?

By Patrick J. Buchanan

 

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Tuesday - August 15, 2017

When the Dodge Charger of 20-year-old Nazi sympathizer James Alex Fields Jr., plunged into that crowd of protesters Saturday, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer, Fields put Charlottesville on the map of modernity alongside Ferguson.

Before Fields ran down the protesters, and then backed up, running down more, what was happening seemed but a bloody brawl between extremists on both sides of the issue of whether Robert E. Lee's statue should be removed from Emancipation Park, formerly Lee Park.

With Heyer's death, the brawl was elevated to a moral issue. And President Donald Trump's initial failure to denounce the neo-Nazi and Klan presence was declared a moral failure.

How did we get here, and where are we going?

In June of 2015, 21-year-old Dylann Roof gunned down nine Christians at an evening Bible study in Charleston's Emanuel AME Church. A review of Roof's selfies and website showed him posing with the Confederate battle flag.

Gov. Nikki Haley, five years in office, instantly pivoted and called for removal of the battle flag from the Confederate war memorial on the State House grounds, as a "deeply offensive symbol of a brutally offensive past."

This ignited a national clamor to purge all statues that lionize Confederate soldiers and statesmen.

In Maryland, demands have come for removing statues and busts of Chief Justice Roger Taney, the author of the Dred Scott decision. Statues of Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson, President Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee have been pulled down in New Orleans.

After Charlottesville, pressure is building for removal of the statues of Lee, Jackson, Davis and Gen. "Jeb" Stuart from historic Monument Avenue in Richmond, capital of the Confederacy.

Many Southern towns, including Alexandria, Virginia, have statues of Confederate soldiers looking to the South. Shall we pull them all down? And once all the Southern Civil War monuments are gone, should we go after the statues of the slave owners whom we Americans have heroized?

Gen. George Washington and his subordinate, "Light Horse Harry" Lee, father of Robert E. Lee, were slave owners, as was Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe and Andrew Jackson. Five of our first seven presidents owned slaves, as did James K. Polk, who invaded and annexed the northern half of Mexico, including California.

Jefferson, with his exploitation of Sally Hemings and neglect of their children, presents a particular problem. While he wrote in the Declaration of Independence of his belief that "all men are created equal," his life and his depiction of Indians in that document belie this.
 

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And Jefferson is both on the face of Mount Rushmore and has a memorial in the U.S. capital.

Another term applied to the "Unite the Right" gathering in Charlottesville is that they are "white supremacists," a mortal sin to modernity. But here we encounter an even greater problem.

Looking back over the history of a Western Civilization, which we call great, were not the explorers who came out of Spain, Portugal, France, Holland and England all white supremacists?

They conquered in the name of the mother countries all the lands they discovered, imposed their rule upon the indigenous peoples, and vanquished and eradicated the native-born who stood in their way.

Who, during the centuries-long discovery and conquest of the New World, really believed that the lives of the indigenous peoples were of equal worth with those of the colonizers?

They believed European Man had the right to rule the world.

Beginning in the 16th century, Western imperialists ruled much of what was called the civilized world. Was not the British Empire, one of the great civilizing forces in human history, a manifestation of British racial superiority?

And if being a segregationist disqualifies one from being venerated in our brave new world, what do we do with Woodrow Wilson, who thought "Birth of a Nation" a splendid film and who re-segregated the U.S. government?

In 1955, Prime Minister Churchill, imperialist to the core, urged his Cabinet to consider the slogan, "Keep England White."

Nor is a belief in the superiority of one's race, religion, tribe and culture unique to the West. What is unique, what is an experiment without precedent, is what we are about today.

We have condemned and renounced the scarlet sins of the men who made America and embraced diversity, inclusivity and equality.

Our new America is to be a land where all races, tribes, creeds and cultures congregate, all are treated equally, and all move ever closer to an equality of results through the regular redistribution of opportunity, wealth and power.

We are going to become "the first universal nation."

"All men are created equal" is an ideological statement. Where is the scientific or historic proof for it? Are we building our utopia on a sandpile of ideology and hope?

Nevertheless, on to Richmond!