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SAINT NANCY
On a Saturday afternoon, in Washington , D. C., an aide to House Speaker
Nancy Pelosi visited the Bishop of the Catholic cathedral in D.C.
He told the Cardinal that Nancy Pelosi would be attending the next day's
Mass, and he asked if the Cardinal would kindly point out Pelosi to the
congregation and say a few words that would include calling Pelosi a saint.
The Cardinal replied, "No. I don't really like the woman, and there are issues
of conflict with the Catholic Church over certain of Pelosi's views."
Pelosi's aide then said, "Look. I'll write a check here and now for a donation
of $100,000 to your church if you'll just tell the congregation you see Pelosi
as a saint."
The Cardinal thought about it and said, "Well, the church can use the money,
so
I'll work your request into tomorrow's sermon."
As Pelosi's aide promised, House Speaker Pelosi appeared for the Sunday
worship and seated herself prominently at the forward left side of the
center aisle.
As promised, at the start of his sermon, the Cardinal pointed out that
Speaker Pelosi was present.
The Cardinal went on to explain to the congregation, "While Speaker Pelosi's
presence is probably an honor to some, the woman is not numbered among my
personal favorite personages.
Some of her most egregious views are contrary to tenets of the Church,
and she tends to flip-flop on many other issues.
Nancy Pelosi is a petty, self-absorbed hypocrite, a thumb sucker, and a nit-wit.
Nancy Pelosi is also a serial liar, a cheat, and a thief.
I must say, Nancy Pelosi is the worst example of a Catholic I have ever
personally witnessed.
She married for money and is using her wealth to
lie to the American people.
She also has a reputation for shirking her Representative obligations both
in Washington , and in California .
The woman is simply not to be trusted."
The Cardinal concluded, "But, when compared with Obama and Senators Harry
Reid and John Kerry, House Speaker Pelosi is a saint."
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#21 08-06-2010, 08:35 AM
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The Sun-Times has released another article this morning about "sources" claiming that the Davis' are asking for money, with shots at Calipari tacked to the end.
The cojones on this O'Brien guy...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps...ruit06.article
Just saw this on KSR. I would imagine UK comes at the Sun-Times with both barrels and makes a major case out of this. It's time to take a stand and demand accountability from irresponsible hacks and media outlets.
I'll also be surprised if the Davis family doesn't pursue this legally as well. It's going to get very interesting very quickly, IMHO.
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#22 08-06-2010, 09:59 AM
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Sun-Times stands by Kentucky basketball story
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According to an attorney representing the University of Kentucky, his letter of complaint to the Sun-Times regarding a story written by Michael O'Brien about potential Wildcats recruit and Perspectives-Calumet player Anthony Davis Jr. that was published, edited and eventually removed from the paper's high school sports Web site Wednesday had not been answered through business hours Thursday.
Early Friday morning, the Web site published another story by O'Brien that stated "sources from three separate universities told the Sun-Times that Davis Sr. asked for money in return for his son's commitment, with the amount ranging from $125,000 to $150,000."
Attorney Stephen L. Barker told the Tribune on Thursday that while the school was glad the original story was off of the paper's site, "taking the story down doesn't cure all the problems. I believe this was beyond irresponsible journalism."
O'Brien's original story centered on Davis' college choice, cited a "reliable source" and said "rumors/sources that have Davis choosing Kentucky are also alleging that the commitment cost $200,000."
Any such payment would be a violation of NCAA rules and, if true, would put Kentucky and Davis' college basketball future into question.
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#23 08-06-2010, 10:17 AM
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Kentucky makes stands against published rumors
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It is not common in the sporting world for athletic teams or their representatives to formally threaten legal action against media personnel or their outlets.
It also is not common, though, for newspapers to publish articles in which "rumors/sources" is a term used to support an allegation as consequential as the one in Wednesday's Chicago Sun-Times story.
There have been a lot of famous names involved in Kentucky basketball through the history of the game, and Stephen L. Barker isn't one of them. The Wildcats trusted him, though, to take an extremely important shot late Wednesday evening.
Barker, a Lexington-based attorney, sent a letter to Michael O'Brien of the Sun-Times demanding the newspaper "withdraw the publication from any source"—an article that connected UK with the payment of $200,000 for a recruit's commitment.
Kentucky and coach John Calipari figured they had enough of this sort of treatment from particular members of the sporting media and decided fighting back was a prudent course.
When the Sun-Times article appeared via a link Thursday afternoon on Twitter, it was the first media report identifying Kentucky as the likely destination for elite basketball prospect Anthony Davis. So naturally it attracted a significant amount of attention.
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#24 08-06-2010, 10:28 AM
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I wonder how Micheal O'Brien would feel if I wrote an article claiming to have three "reliable" sources stating that he is a child molester? Would he feel a little ill-used? It's awfully easy to put something out there with anonymous sources.
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#25 08-06-2010, 11:52 AM
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I bet right now that Mitch is calling a Judge or someone and is gonna sue the Chicago Sun Times.
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
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#27 08-06-2010, 12:04 PM
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I wonder how Micheal O'Brien would feel if I wrote an article claiming to have three "reliable" sources stating that he is a child molester? Would he feel a little ill-used? It's awfully easy to put something out there with anonymous sources.
You are correct. There are too many of these writers and bloggers that are hiding behind "reliable sources". It is has just become too easy for anyone to write anything and hide behind that phrase.
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#28 08-06-2010, 12:30 PM
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Great read..."less than 15 seconds", "smoking lasagna"...to whomever could he be referring?
P.S. Count me as another who is mystified by all the claims of Cal cheating...have always wanted to ask the haters, "why would he/we when there's no need", as kids are competing for the few available UK spots and Cal likely has to let several off the hook each year.
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#29 08-06-2010, 12:35 PM
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Rumors on the street have indicated that Sun-Times reporter Michael "tool" O'brien has been seen in the back seat of the Blogomobile giving the former governor a "sypher".
15 seconds is the timeframe right?
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#30 08-06-2010, 12:51 PM
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
Great read and very good points made by MM.
My only remark; explain to my simple mind why the hottest coach, at the top school in the country, with all the tradition and air time, would even have to consider cheating...
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UK has been in need of some balls and a good PR offensive for decades.
Time for the to finally make a stand.
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#32 08-06-2010, 01:23 PM
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People love to lie about us cause we are the Godzilla of College Basketball.
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#33 08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
Easily the best writing I've seen from MM.
I think he's right that the Sun-Times might consider it worthwhile to risk an unwinnable lawsuit in exchange for the publicity it would get them, which is just pitiful behavior, but probably true. I wonder, can you get a paper to disclose their sources in a libel trial? If they could, and it led to Pat Forde, it would almost be worth the collateral damage.
#34 08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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People love to lie about us cause we are the Godzilla of College Basketball.
Great description! "Oh, no, there goes Tokyo..."
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#35 08-06-2010, 01:52 PM
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Great description! "Oh, no, there goes Tokyo..."
Yep and Duke is the King Ghidorah.
#36 08-06-2010, 01:54 PM
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The thing about Maggard's piece is that it's really the same animal as the Sun-Times story that everyone's blasting, is it not? He's throwing out accusations and innuendo suggesting that Pat Forde and Rick Pitino are behind this whole plot to force UK to sue to take this issue to trial to make Calipari and William Wesley testify under cross-examination and thereby bring down Calipari and UK. It makes for a good story. It has two villains that are almost universally hated in UK circles. It plays on the UK fan's "it's all a conspiracy against us!" mentality.
While I'd certainly love for Maggard to be right on this and be able to prove it in a public forum to the point that Pitino and Forde are banished from their chosen professions, in the end, there's about as much validity to Maggard's accusations about Pitino/Forde as there are in the Sun-Times story about Davis and Kentucky.
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#37 08-06-2010, 02:05 PM
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I wonder, can you get a paper to disclose their sources in a libel trial? If they could, and it led to Pat Forde, it would almost be worth the collateral damage.
Usually when you hear about reporters going to jail to protect their sources, it's for contempt of court for failure to respond to a grand jury subpoena to divulge sources. I suppose that could happen as well in a civil case if the paper refused to turn over discovery the judge had ordered it to turn over, but since I'm not a civil attorney, I don't know what the odds of that happening would be.
Regardless of any contempt findings, the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff (here, UK and/or the Davis family) to prove that the statements were (a) false and (b) printed with "actual malice," which means either they printed the story knowing it to be false or that they printed it with reckless disregard for the truth. But the thing is, if the plaintiffs make a prima facie case that the story was false (e.g., evidence that Davis was never paid and never asked to be paid), the defendant would have an awfully hard time winning the trial without putting on any evidence as to who its sources were.
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#38 08-06-2010, 02:39 PM
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Reminds me of Paul Neuman in Absent of Malice... Great film, love seeing
stuff like that.
Really all the paper has to do is say they have had several anonymous sources in the high school community and AAU saying that they heard Davis brag about being able to get $150K if he wanted or that So and So would pay me 6 figures to come to their school, even if he was joking.
Maybe even someone making it up, it's a rumor, nothing will happen to the Sun Times, it will just die...
Thing is DO NOT GO TO THAT GUYS PAGE and give him any hits...
Anytime you take on UK you get a million odd hits from upset fans.
Take one look but just like Tippy Ton...
Let him go the way of the dodo....
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#39 08-06-2010, 02:40 PM
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UK's Press Release
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The University of Kentucky is dismayed by the continued lack of professionalism and responsible journalism exhibited by Michael O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in running yet another false and defamatory story on August 6, 2010, regarding the University’s recruitment of a high school student-athlete. Both the father of this student-athlete and the University have repeatedly told Mr. O’Brien that these unsubstantiated “rumors” are untrue. Neither the University of Kentucky nor any member of its Athletic Department has offered or paid any money or other illegal benefits to the student-athlete or his family.
Mr. O’Brien’s August 6 story also mischaracterizes the NCAA’s involvement in this matter by stating that “the NCAA is ‘checking’ into the recruitment of” the student-athlete. The University of Kentucky spoke with David Price, NCAA Vice President of Enforcement, who advised that the NCAA contacted Mr. O’Brien simply to inquire as to the alleged sources for his article and that “this in no way confirms an NCAA investigation of the University” or an examination of the recruitment of the named student-athlete. It is the University’s understanding that such an inquiry represents the NCAA’s normal procedure any time allegations of misconduct are made, no matter how outrageous or unsubstantiated they may be.
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
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#40 08-06-2010, 02:50 PM
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The University of Kentucky is dismayed by the continued lack of professionalism and responsible journalism exhibited by Michael O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in running yet another false and defamatory story on August 6, 2010, regarding the University’s recruitment of a high school student-athlete. Both the father of this student-athlete and the University have repeatedly told Mr. O’Brien that these unsubstantiated “rumors” are untrue. Neither the University of Kentucky nor any member of its Athletic Department has offered or paid any money or other illegal benefits to the student-athlete or his family.
Mr. O’Brien’s August 6 story also mischaracterizes the NCAA’s involvement in this matter by stating that “the NCAA is ‘checking’ into the recruitment of” the student-athlete. The University of Kentucky spoke with David Price, NCAA Vice President of Enforcement, who advised that the NCAA contacted Mr. O’Brien simply to inquire as to the alleged sources for his article and that “this in no way confirms an NCAA investigation of the University” or an examination of the recruitment of the named student-athlete. It is the University’s understanding that such an inquiry represents the NCAA’s normal procedure any time allegations of misconduct are made, no matter how outrageous or unsubstantiated they may be.
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
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#21 08-06-2010, 08:35 AM
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The Sun-Times has released another article this morning about "sources" claiming that the Davis' are asking for money, with shots at Calipari tacked to the end.
The cojones on this O'Brien guy...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps...ruit06.article
Just saw this on KSR. I would imagine UK comes at the Sun-Times with both barrels and makes a major case out of this. It's time to take a stand and demand accountability from irresponsible hacks and media outlets.
I'll also be surprised if the Davis family doesn't pursue this legally as well. It's going to get very interesting very quickly, IMHO.
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#22 08-06-2010, 09:59 AM
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Sun-Times stands by Kentucky basketball story
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According to an attorney representing the University of Kentucky, his letter of complaint to the Sun-Times regarding a story written by Michael O'Brien about potential Wildcats recruit and Perspectives-Calumet player Anthony Davis Jr. that was published, edited and eventually removed from the paper's high school sports Web site Wednesday had not been answered through business hours Thursday.
Early Friday morning, the Web site published another story by O'Brien that stated "sources from three separate universities told the Sun-Times that Davis Sr. asked for money in return for his son's commitment, with the amount ranging from $125,000 to $150,000."
Attorney Stephen L. Barker told the Tribune on Thursday that while the school was glad the original story was off of the paper's site, "taking the story down doesn't cure all the problems. I believe this was beyond irresponsible journalism."
O'Brien's original story centered on Davis' college choice, cited a "reliable source" and said "rumors/sources that have Davis choosing Kentucky are also alleging that the commitment cost $200,000."
Any such payment would be a violation of NCAA rules and, if true, would put Kentucky and Davis' college basketball future into question.
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#23 08-06-2010, 10:17 AM
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Kentucky makes stands against published rumors
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It is not common in the sporting world for athletic teams or their representatives to formally threaten legal action against media personnel or their outlets.
It also is not common, though, for newspapers to publish articles in which "rumors/sources" is a term used to support an allegation as consequential as the one in Wednesday's Chicago Sun-Times story.
There have been a lot of famous names involved in Kentucky basketball through the history of the game, and Stephen L. Barker isn't one of them. The Wildcats trusted him, though, to take an extremely important shot late Wednesday evening.
Barker, a Lexington-based attorney, sent a letter to Michael O'Brien of the Sun-Times demanding the newspaper "withdraw the publication from any source"—an article that connected UK with the payment of $200,000 for a recruit's commitment.
Kentucky and coach John Calipari figured they had enough of this sort of treatment from particular members of the sporting media and decided fighting back was a prudent course.
When the Sun-Times article appeared via a link Thursday afternoon on Twitter, it was the first media report identifying Kentucky as the likely destination for elite basketball prospect Anthony Davis. So naturally it attracted a significant amount of attention.
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#24 08-06-2010, 10:28 AM
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I wonder how Micheal O'Brien would feel if I wrote an article claiming to have three "reliable" sources stating that he is a child molester? Would he feel a little ill-used? It's awfully easy to put something out there with anonymous sources.
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#25 08-06-2010, 11:52 AM
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I bet right now that Mitch is calling a Judge or someone and is gonna sue the Chicago Sun Times.
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
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#27 08-06-2010, 12:04 PM
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I wonder how Micheal O'Brien would feel if I wrote an article claiming to have three "reliable" sources stating that he is a child molester? Would he feel a little ill-used? It's awfully easy to put something out there with anonymous sources.
You are correct. There are too many of these writers and bloggers that are hiding behind "reliable sources". It is has just become too easy for anyone to write anything and hide behind that phrase.
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#28 08-06-2010, 12:30 PM
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Great read..."less than 15 seconds", "smoking lasagna"...to whomever could he be referring?
P.S. Count me as another who is mystified by all the claims of Cal cheating...have always wanted to ask the haters, "why would he/we when there's no need", as kids are competing for the few available UK spots and Cal likely has to let several off the hook each year.
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#29 08-06-2010, 12:35 PM
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Rumors on the street have indicated that Sun-Times reporter Michael "tool" O'brien has been seen in the back seat of the Blogomobile giving the former governor a "sypher".
15 seconds is the timeframe right?
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#30 08-06-2010, 12:51 PM
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
Great read and very good points made by MM.
My only remark; explain to my simple mind why the hottest coach, at the top school in the country, with all the tradition and air time, would even have to consider cheating...
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#31 08-06-2010, 01:07 PM
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UK has been in need of some balls and a good PR offensive for decades.
Time for the to finally make a stand.
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#32 08-06-2010, 01:23 PM
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#33 08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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As much as I dislike the majority of what he does, Marc Maggard has a fantastic piece about this whole situation on his website. He breaks it down in detail and gives an idea of the situation that we could be getting lured into:
http://truebluekentucky.com/index.ph...-own-blog.html
Easily the best writing I've seen from MM.
I think he's right that the Sun-Times might consider it worthwhile to risk an unwinnable lawsuit in exchange for the publicity it would get them, which is just pitiful behavior, but probably true. I wonder, can you get a paper to disclose their sources in a libel trial? If they could, and it led to Pat Forde, it would almost be worth the collateral damage.
#34 08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
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People love to lie about us cause we are the Godzilla of College Basketball.
Great description! "Oh, no, there goes Tokyo..."
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#35 08-06-2010, 01:52 PM
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Great description! "Oh, no, there goes Tokyo..."
Yep and Duke is the King Ghidorah.
#36 08-06-2010, 01:54 PM
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The thing about Maggard's piece is that it's really the same animal as the Sun-Times story that everyone's blasting, is it not? He's throwing out accusations and innuendo suggesting that Pat Forde and Rick Pitino are behind this whole plot to force UK to sue to take this issue to trial to make Calipari and William Wesley testify under cross-examination and thereby bring down Calipari and UK. It makes for a good story. It has two villains that are almost universally hated in UK circles. It plays on the UK fan's "it's all a conspiracy against us!" mentality.
While I'd certainly love for Maggard to be right on this and be able to prove it in a public forum to the point that Pitino and Forde are banished from their chosen professions, in the end, there's about as much validity to Maggard's accusations about Pitino/Forde as there are in the Sun-Times story about Davis and Kentucky.
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#37 08-06-2010, 02:05 PM
Doug Hardin
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Originally Posted by Catligula
I wonder, can you get a paper to disclose their sources in a libel trial? If they could, and it led to Pat Forde, it would almost be worth the collateral damage.
Usually when you hear about reporters going to jail to protect their sources, it's for contempt of court for failure to respond to a grand jury subpoena to divulge sources. I suppose that could happen as well in a civil case if the paper refused to turn over discovery the judge had ordered it to turn over, but since I'm not a civil attorney, I don't know what the odds of that happening would be.
Regardless of any contempt findings, the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff (here, UK and/or the Davis family) to prove that the statements were (a) false and (b) printed with "actual malice," which means either they printed the story knowing it to be false or that they printed it with reckless disregard for the truth. But the thing is, if the plaintiffs make a prima facie case that the story was false (e.g., evidence that Davis was never paid and never asked to be paid), the defendant would have an awfully hard time winning the trial without putting on any evidence as to who its sources were.
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“I didn’t bring upon this fight. All I did was stand up to a long laundry list of people who passed away today, who couldn’t stand up because what was done was wrong.” - Rick Pitino, August 26, 2009
Doug Hardin
#38 08-06-2010, 02:39 PM
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Reminds me of Paul Neuman in Absent of Malice... Great film, love seeing
stuff like that.
Really all the paper has to do is say they have had several anonymous sources in the high school community and AAU saying that they heard Davis brag about being able to get $150K if he wanted or that So and So would pay me 6 figures to come to their school, even if he was joking.
Maybe even someone making it up, it's a rumor, nothing will happen to the Sun Times, it will just die...
Thing is DO NOT GO TO THAT GUYS PAGE and give him any hits...
Anytime you take on UK you get a million odd hits from upset fans.
Take one look but just like Tippy Ton...
Let him go the way of the dodo....
ukfaningatorland
#39 08-06-2010, 02:40 PM
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UK's Press Release
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August 6, 2010
The University of Kentucky is dismayed by the continued lack of professionalism and responsible journalism exhibited by Michael O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in running yet another false and defamatory story on August 6, 2010, regarding the University’s recruitment of a high school student-athlete. Both the father of this student-athlete and the University have repeatedly told Mr. O’Brien that these unsubstantiated “rumors” are untrue. Neither the University of Kentucky nor any member of its Athletic Department has offered or paid any money or other illegal benefits to the student-athlete or his family.
Mr. O’Brien’s August 6 story also mischaracterizes the NCAA’s involvement in this matter by stating that “the NCAA is ‘checking’ into the recruitment of” the student-athlete. The University of Kentucky spoke with David Price, NCAA Vice President of Enforcement, who advised that the NCAA contacted Mr. O’Brien simply to inquire as to the alleged sources for his article and that “this in no way confirms an NCAA investigation of the University” or an examination of the recruitment of the named student-athlete. It is the University’s understanding that such an inquiry represents the NCAA’s normal procedure any time allegations of misconduct are made, no matter how outrageous or unsubstantiated they may be.
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
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#40 08-06-2010, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by WildcatRick
August 6, 2010
The University of Kentucky is dismayed by the continued lack of professionalism and responsible journalism exhibited by Michael O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in running yet another false and defamatory story on August 6, 2010, regarding the University’s recruitment of a high school student-athlete. Both the father of this student-athlete and the University have repeatedly told Mr. O’Brien that these unsubstantiated “rumors” are untrue. Neither the University of Kentucky nor any member of its Athletic Department has offered or paid any money or other illegal benefits to the student-athlete or his family.
Mr. O’Brien’s August 6 story also mischaracterizes the NCAA’s involvement in this matter by stating that “the NCAA is ‘checking’ into the recruitment of” the student-athlete. The University of Kentucky spoke with David Price, NCAA Vice President of Enforcement, who advised that the NCAA contacted Mr. O’Brien simply to inquire as to the alleged sources for his article and that “this in no way confirms an NCAA investigation of the University” or an examination of the recruitment of the named student-athlete. It is the University’s understanding that such an inquiry represents the NCAA’s normal procedure any time allegations of misconduct are made, no matter how outrageous or unsubstantiated they may be.
The University of Kentucky has put Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times on notice that these published statements are false and defamatory. The University fully supports any action the student-athlete and his family may take against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times. The University is also evaluating all available rights and remedies it may have against Mr. O’Brien and the Chicago Sun-Times in responding to these false and defamatory statements.
The University of Kentucky.... FOR THE WIN!!!
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All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:28 AM.
Poof! Thanks John Bob Looney!
A 73-year-old man goes for a physical. All of his tests come back with normal results. The doctor says, "Louie, everything looks great. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with God?"
Louie replies, "God and I are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it for when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, *poof*!, the light goes on. When I'm done, *poof*!, the light goes off."
"Wow, that's incredible," the doctor says.
A little later in the day, the doctor calls Louie's wife. " Winona ," he says, "Louie is doing fine but I had to call you because I'm in awe of his relationship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night and *poof *!, the light goes on in the bathroom, and when he's done, *poof*! The light goes off?"
"OH MY GOODNESS!" Winona exclaims. "He's peeing in the fridge again!!!!"
Louie replies, "God and I are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so he's fixed it for when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, *poof*!, the light goes on. When I'm done, *poof*!, the light goes off."
"Wow, that's incredible," the doctor says.
A little later in the day, the doctor calls Louie's wife. " Winona ," he says, "Louie is doing fine but I had to call you because I'm in awe of his relationship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night and *poof *!, the light goes on in the bathroom, and when he's done, *poof*! The light goes off?"
"OH MY GOODNESS!" Winona exclaims. "He's peeing in the fridge again!!!!"
Saturday, August 7, 2010
Car for sale- 2001 Saturn Excellent car for student or family
For Sale
2001 Saturn SL-1
Excellent car for student or family
Built in TN using Early American use of Japanese Mfg. Techniques- 116,559 miles but these cars are expected to make at least 300, 000 miles
4 dr. sedan. exceptionally clean. wife put only less than 3000 miles on the car in the two years we have owned it. Cars was tuned up at a cost of $168 right after we purchased it in July 2008.
I bought a Prius for myself and my wife now has my car.
Asking $3500 but will entertain best offer.
Come see it at 428 Illinois Ave. Westerville OH but please call first @614-882-5991 or 614-653-0505.
Sam Kegley
2001 Saturn SL-1
Excellent car for student or family
Built in TN using Early American use of Japanese Mfg. Techniques- 116,559 miles but these cars are expected to make at least 300, 000 miles
4 dr. sedan. exceptionally clean. wife put only less than 3000 miles on the car in the two years we have owned it. Cars was tuned up at a cost of $168 right after we purchased it in July 2008.
I bought a Prius for myself and my wife now has my car.
Asking $3500 but will entertain best offer.
Come see it at 428 Illinois Ave. Westerville OH but please call first @614-882-5991 or 614-653-0505.
Sam Kegley
Dick Klitch gives Tobey a tennis lesson- Great day for Sammy K.!
Yesterday, 8-6-10, was a big day for Sammy K. !
My good friend, Dick Klitch, offered years ago to give my granddaughters' tennis lessons. That is a big deal; however, the girls have never allowed me to set up a time. Tobey, Jay's fourteen year old, finished her softball season and has been in a week of rest from sports. She relented to her grandpaw's nagging and I set up a 10 AM lesson for her with Mr. Klitch.
Jeanie and I picked Tobey up and had her at the Fanceyburg Park courts at ten. Dick was there and although several younger kids were using two courts, that left two unoccupied for Tobey's lesson and it was a beautiful morning.
Dick handed Tobey a Tad Weed oversized racquet and proceeded to talk with her and then lob some balls to her with instructions proceeding. Dick had watched Tobey play volleyball and softball and said she is an "athlete". That is high praise from my tennis pro friend.
After about half the lesson, Dick looked over to me and said: "This is just what I expected. She is doing things kids her age don't do until after eight or ten lessons."
When your grandchild gets this praise from your lifelong friend and great tennis coach it feels mighty good. Jay hasn't wanted Tobey to take up tennis because he calls it a "country club sport" and he knows that we Kegleys are not country club people. Tobey's relenting to her grandpaw's wishes and the "lesson" will forever be a highlight of my life. She may never pick up a racquet again, if only to play with her friend, Charlie, but It is a generous offer and a was a great day for Sammy K!
Sam
My good friend, Dick Klitch, offered years ago to give my granddaughters' tennis lessons. That is a big deal; however, the girls have never allowed me to set up a time. Tobey, Jay's fourteen year old, finished her softball season and has been in a week of rest from sports. She relented to her grandpaw's nagging and I set up a 10 AM lesson for her with Mr. Klitch.
Jeanie and I picked Tobey up and had her at the Fanceyburg Park courts at ten. Dick was there and although several younger kids were using two courts, that left two unoccupied for Tobey's lesson and it was a beautiful morning.
Dick handed Tobey a Tad Weed oversized racquet and proceeded to talk with her and then lob some balls to her with instructions proceeding. Dick had watched Tobey play volleyball and softball and said she is an "athlete". That is high praise from my tennis pro friend.
After about half the lesson, Dick looked over to me and said: "This is just what I expected. She is doing things kids her age don't do until after eight or ten lessons."
When your grandchild gets this praise from your lifelong friend and great tennis coach it feels mighty good. Jay hasn't wanted Tobey to take up tennis because he calls it a "country club sport" and he knows that we Kegleys are not country club people. Tobey's relenting to her grandpaw's wishes and the "lesson" will forever be a highlight of my life. She may never pick up a racquet again, if only to play with her friend, Charlie, but It is a generous offer and a was a great day for Sammy K!
Sam
Getting Older Thanks Tammy Caraher and Kari Flower!
Tammy
Tammy Carraher
From: Kari flowers
Subject: Getting Older
For you my friends
Hopefully it will work!
Please send back. ( I did ) It's neat. Don't delete this one, you'll laugh when you see the return message.
I would never trade my amazing friends, my wonderful life, my loving family for less gray hair or a flatter belly. As I've aged, I've become kinder to myself, and less critical of myself. I've become my own friend.. I don't chide myself for eating that extra cookie, or for not making my bed, or for buying that silly cement gecko that I didn't need, but looks so avante garde on my patio. I am entitled to a treat, to be messy, to be extravagant.
I have seen too many dear friends leave this world too soon; before they understood the great freedom that comes with aging.
Whose business is it if I choose to read or play on the computer until 4 AM and sleep until noon? I will dance with myself to those wonderful tunes of the 60 &70's, and if I, at the same time, wish to weep over a lost love ... I will.
I will walk the beach in a swim suit that is stretched over a bulging body, and will dive into the waves with abandon if I choose to, despite the pitying glances from the jet set.
They, too, will get old.
I know I am sometimes forgetful. But there again, some of life is just as well forgotten. And I eventually remember the important things.
Sure, over the years my heart has been broken. How can your heart not break when you lose a loved one, or when a child suffers, or even when somebody's beloved pet gets hit by a car? But broken hearts are what give us strength and understanding and compassion. A heart never broken is pristine and sterile and will never know the joy of being imperfect.
I am so blessed to have lived long enough to have my hair turning gray, and to have my youthful laughs be forever etched into deep grooves on my face.
So many have never laughed, and so many have died before their hair could turn silver.
As you get older, it is easier to be positive. You care less about what other people think. I don't question myself anymore..
I've even earned the right to be wrong.
So, to answer your question, I like being old. It has set me free. I like the person I have become. I am not going to live forever,
but while I am still here, I will not waste time lamenting what could have been, or worrying about what will be. And I shall eat dessert every single day(if I feel like it).
MAY OUR FRIENDSHIP NEVER COME APART ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART!
Tammy Carraher
From: Kari flowers
Subject: Getting Older
For you my friends
Hopefully it will work!
Please send back. ( I did ) It's neat. Don't delete this one, you'll laugh when you see the return message.
I would never trade my amazing friends, my wonderful life, my loving family for less gray hair or a flatter belly. As I've aged, I've become kinder to myself, and less critical of myself. I've become my own friend.. I don't chide myself for eating that extra cookie, or for not making my bed, or for buying that silly cement gecko that I didn't need, but looks so avante garde on my patio. I am entitled to a treat, to be messy, to be extravagant.
I have seen too many dear friends leave this world too soon; before they understood the great freedom that comes with aging.
Whose business is it if I choose to read or play on the computer until 4 AM and sleep until noon? I will dance with myself to those wonderful tunes of the 60 &70's, and if I, at the same time, wish to weep over a lost love ... I will.
I will walk the beach in a swim suit that is stretched over a bulging body, and will dive into the waves with abandon if I choose to, despite the pitying glances from the jet set.
They, too, will get old.
I know I am sometimes forgetful. But there again, some of life is just as well forgotten. And I eventually remember the important things.
Sure, over the years my heart has been broken. How can your heart not break when you lose a loved one, or when a child suffers, or even when somebody's beloved pet gets hit by a car? But broken hearts are what give us strength and understanding and compassion. A heart never broken is pristine and sterile and will never know the joy of being imperfect.
I am so blessed to have lived long enough to have my hair turning gray, and to have my youthful laughs be forever etched into deep grooves on my face.
So many have never laughed, and so many have died before their hair could turn silver.
As you get older, it is easier to be positive. You care less about what other people think. I don't question myself anymore..
I've even earned the right to be wrong.
So, to answer your question, I like being old. It has set me free. I like the person I have become. I am not going to live forever,
but while I am still here, I will not waste time lamenting what could have been, or worrying about what will be. And I shall eat dessert every single day(if I feel like it).
MAY OUR FRIENDSHIP NEVER COME APART ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S STRAIGHT FROM THE HEART!
Dawood Kahn's writings influence our good Kentucky fan and friend, Judi Cole
You are very observant, Judi.
Dave is probably about 40 or 50. He is a Kentucky fan through and through with an observing eye on the Middle Eastern part of our globe. I met him in Atlanta at an SEC tournament and we spent about an hour of good conversation in the hotel lobby. My habit is to get up early and do some computer- writing or reading. I have done that most of my life which I began doing while in engineering school at UK. I would come home tired from class, set the alarm for two in the morning, go to sleep and wake up and study while Jeanie and Jay and everybody else in our Cooperstown apartments were sleeping. I would go back to sleep for a few hours when I "hit a wall". It was an excellent time to study without distraction. I often go to the hotel lobby to read so as not to wake Jeanie with the light when we are traveling.
On one morning Dave was coming in from a night out on Atlanta with his two brothers about three in the morning. He sat and talked with me as the other two went back out into the city. Dave had been an Army Ranger in the Middle East and returned there as a civilian employee of the Army. He has many years of Middle East living and has traveled extensively in that part of the world. We shared our conservative views. Dave is mistrustful of many religions, even Christianity, but says he may be closer to Buddism. His monicer for computer then was "blueheritic". Jeanie's and my mutual friend, Rick Brizendine, knows Dave well and says Dave was very close to Christianity with his mother as a child. He has been a wild hair and the Ranger exploits testify that he is dar n near fearless. He is immensely loyal to our Wildcats as is "WildcatRick" Brizendine. If you have my book, "Cyber-Cat fans", each of the guys posted a lot in there.
I am happy that David Kaelin, aka Dawood Kahn, is a good friend of mine. He is including much from www.silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com in books I hope to begin seeing out soon.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: judith Cole
To: Sam Kegley
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 23:39
Subject: Re: Dawood Kahn's www.silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com
Sam, I'm impressed with this blog - The man is well educated and shares many things I don't know - thanks!
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Sam Kegleywrote:
Andalusia, bullshit, Cordoba, Cordoba Initiative, deceit, Ground Zero, islam, lies, Sufi
The Andulusia Delusion
Blog at WordPress.com. Theme: DePo Masthead by Derek Powazek.
Sincerely,
Judi Cole
Realtor and Relocation Specialist
CENTURY 21 Joe Walker & Assoc.
614-895-7578
614-562-7578 (cell)
614-899-0955 (fax)
"A referral, anywhere in the world,,
is the best compliment you could pay
me and it's the life of my business"
Dave is probably about 40 or 50. He is a Kentucky fan through and through with an observing eye on the Middle Eastern part of our globe. I met him in Atlanta at an SEC tournament and we spent about an hour of good conversation in the hotel lobby. My habit is to get up early and do some computer- writing or reading. I have done that most of my life which I began doing while in engineering school at UK. I would come home tired from class, set the alarm for two in the morning, go to sleep and wake up and study while Jeanie and Jay and everybody else in our Cooperstown apartments were sleeping. I would go back to sleep for a few hours when I "hit a wall". It was an excellent time to study without distraction. I often go to the hotel lobby to read so as not to wake Jeanie with the light when we are traveling.
On one morning Dave was coming in from a night out on Atlanta with his two brothers about three in the morning. He sat and talked with me as the other two went back out into the city. Dave had been an Army Ranger in the Middle East and returned there as a civilian employee of the Army. He has many years of Middle East living and has traveled extensively in that part of the world. We shared our conservative views. Dave is mistrustful of many religions, even Christianity, but says he may be closer to Buddism. His monicer for computer then was "blueheritic". Jeanie's and my mutual friend, Rick Brizendine, knows Dave well and says Dave was very close to Christianity with his mother as a child. He has been a wild hair and the Ranger exploits testify that he is dar n near fearless. He is immensely loyal to our Wildcats as is "WildcatRick" Brizendine. If you have my book, "Cyber-Cat fans", each of the guys posted a lot in there.
I am happy that David Kaelin, aka Dawood Kahn, is a good friend of mine. He is including much from www.silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com in books I hope to begin seeing out soon.
Sam
----- Original Message -----
From: judith Cole
To: Sam Kegley
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 23:39
Subject: Re: Dawood Kahn's www.silkroadsandsiamesesmiles.com
Sam, I'm impressed with this blog - The man is well educated and shares many things I don't know - thanks!
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Sam Kegley
Andalusia, bullshit, Cordoba, Cordoba Initiative, deceit, Ground Zero, islam, lies, Sufi
The Andulusia Delusion
Blog at WordPress.com. Theme: DePo Masthead by Derek Powazek.
Sincerely,
Judi Cole
Realtor and Relocation Specialist
CENTURY 21 Joe Walker & Assoc.
614-895-7578
614-562-7578 (cell)
614-899-0955 (fax)
"A referral, anywhere in the world,,
is the best compliment you could pay
me and it's the life of my business"
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