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Page 2 of 2 < 1 2 View First Unread Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes #21 Yesterday, 01:22 PM boomdaddy Junior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Paris. Ky, , Posts: 2,697 For the most part, he was catching the ball and holding on to it. I don't know why he has had so much trouble, given how large an object it is. If I was the strength coach, I would make him pass the medicine ball around every day for an hour, to strengthen his hands and wrists. boomdaddy View Public Profile Send a private message to boomdaddy Find all posts by boomdaddy Add boomdaddy to Your Contacts #22 Yesterday, 01:50 PM VirginiaBlue Blueblood Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Chesterfield, Virginia Posts: 1,424 Josh showed a quick release that I hadn't seen before. He was getting some great passes down low, and his catch-and-shoot was what got him some of his points. VirginiaBlue View Public Profile Send a private message to VirginiaBlue Send email to VirginiaBlue Find all posts by VirginiaBlue Add VirginiaBlue to Your Contacts #23 Yesterday, 02:18 PM lrsky Freshman Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 311 Sometimes... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...I just cringe when I read really uninformed posts. The RLHS (Rob Lock Hands Syndrome) comment was about as boneheaded as we're likely to see here...so I suppose we need a RBPBA, category, which would of course stand for 'really boneheaded post by amateurs. Rob Lock was NOT a gifted athlete...he wasn't quick as is usually required of a Division 1 Athlete, as anyone who watched him play could attest to. What he WAS, was a guy who gave all he could, AND averaged fewer turnovers per game for his career than, Kenny 'Sky' Walker. Am I saying he was in the same universe? NO!...however, if we're going to crucify a guy who gave us four years of hard work, let's tell it like it is. He averaged 1.367 Turnovers per game, while Kenny, (I LOVE HIM) Walker averaged 1.386 TPG. Did he have the same attention? No, did he attempt the same level of play, NO...we all know this, so why 'kick the guy in the balls', so to speak? He ALSO, averaged hitting 53.8% of his field goals along the way and was on a team that went 32-4, giving us really solid post help. Rob epitomized a player who worked VERY hard yet didn't have natural gifts--however his numbers were not, as suggested, anything to earn him this kind of demeaning moniker. Hey, the 80/20 rule applies everywhere...the gifted make it happen, but couldn't, without the dedicated role players. To put this in context, Winston Bennett averaged, 1.79 TO's per game... Walter McCarty, 1.776 and recently, DeMarcus Cousins averaged > 2 per game.
So the next time one's tiny brains urges us to demean/ridicule a player who worked VERY hard, think first before posting.

"Here's to all the slower, shorter, less gifted among us who have labored long hours to contribute!"

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#24 Yesterday, 02:20 PM
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IMO, practicing against Kanter is paying off for him and Vargas. Both have improved. Harrelson more than Vargas. It would be nice if Kanter can continue to at least practice through the holidays since they won't be under the 20 hour rule during that time.
Harrelson will struggle against more athlectic inside players but against one's more his talent I think he will do quite well. Which is great for UK. Not many teams have the inside talent that UNC and few others do.


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#25 Yesterday, 03:38 PM
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...I just cringe when I read really uninformed posts.
The RLHS (Rob Lock Hands Syndrome) comment was about as boneheaded as we're likely to see here...so I suppose we need a RBPBA, category, which would of course stand for 'really boneheaded post by amateurs.

Rob Lock was NOT a gifted athlete...he wasn't quick as is usually required of a Division 1 Athlete, as anyone who watched him play could attest to. What he WAS, was a guy who gave all he could, AND averaged fewer turnovers per game for his career than, Kenny 'Sky' Walker.
Am I saying he was in the same universe? NO!...however, if we're going to crucify a guy who gave us four years of hard work, let's tell it like it is.
He averaged 1.367 Turnovers per game, while Kenny, (I LOVE HIM) Walker averaged 1.386 TPG. Did he have the same attention? No, did he attempt the same level of play, NO...we all know this, so why 'kick the guy in the balls', so to speak?
He ALSO, averaged hitting 53.8% of his field goals along the way and was on a team that went 32-4, giving us really solid post help.
Rob epitomized a player who worked VERY hard yet didn't have natural gifts--however his numbers were not, as suggested, anything to earn him this kind of demeaning moniker.

Hey, the 80/20 rule applies everywhere...the gifted make it happen, but couldn't, without the dedicated role players.
To put this in context, Winston Bennett averaged, 1.79 TO's per game...
Walter McCarty, 1.776 and recently, DeMarcus Cousins averaged > 2 per game.
So the next time one's tiny brains urges us to demean/ridicule a player who worked VERY hard, think first before posting.

"Here's to all the slower, shorter, less gifted among us who have labored long hours to contribute!"

Larry

I agree with everything, not to mention that he improved his free throw percentage from about 60% to 80% in one year's time. I don't remember any other player showing that much improvement in one year.
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#26 Yesterday, 03:46 PM
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In my opinion, that's on Coach Cal. Cal should encourage him to take that shot if he's open in my opinion. Josh has proven that he can hit that shot when open. I watched Danny Ferry do it time and time again back in the day along with many others of Josh's stature.....


I did notice that during the Washington game Cal seemed to move Josh out. I assume that because of thier height he wanted to open the lane up.


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#27 Yesterday, 03:49 PM
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I say Josh working with Kanter is the difference maker

whatever it is..keep it up Josh


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#28 Yesterday, 05:16 PM
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I say Josh working with Kanter is the difference maker

whatever it is..keep it up Josh



I agree but at the same time, Josh has worked with Cousins, Patterson, Pilgrim, Orton, and a few others that have turned out to be pretty good basketball players

More than anything, i am starting to get the sense that Josh now believes in himself instead of trying to fit in.

On another note, Miller to me looks as if the pressure of being the hometown favorite is taking it's toll. Perhaps the pressure is to much for Darius to relax and just play basketball. If he can ever get over that hump, Miller is going to be fine..........


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#29 Yesterday, 05:25 PM
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I say Josh working with Kanter is the difference maker

whatever it is..keep it up Josh

Exactly. Also working with Cousins and others. But I think the big difference maker is Josh has been around for awhile. He is a senior and has alot of experience now. With Kanter out, gave him some time to build his confidence and others confidence in him.

I hope he keeps it up. It's your time to shine, Josh!!


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#30 Yesterday, 06:30 PM
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Good points. He didn't get himself in foul trouble. That's major and shows he's learning. I've been watching him closely the last three games and it is slow feet that's causing him difficulty. At first, I thought it was RLHS*.

*(Rob Locke Hands Syndrone).

But you have got to admit, Locke was very respectable his senior year. As was Roger Harden. They finally came around.


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#31 Yesterday, 11:02 PM
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But you have got to admit, Locke was very respectable his senior year. As was Roger Harden. They finally came around.

Harden and Walker, what a duo. They would both run the floor, Harden would lay it up, and Walker would score. Took them to the Elite 8, IIRC.
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Harden and Walker, what a duo. They would both run the floor, Harden would lay it up, and Walker would score. Took them to the Elite 8, IIRC.
Larry

Yep, where they lost to LSU....a team they had already beaten THREE TIMES that year! That should have been another Final Four banner hanging from the rafters at Rupp....


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It was a good matchcup for Josh. He's struggled against long, quick bigs (see UNC) but against IU he was the quickest big on the floor. There aren't many dominant centers in college basketball, so Josh, as surprising as it may sound, is one of the best traditional post players in the game. Hope he keeps gaining confidence and growing his game. It's great to see him having success after persevering for so long.


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For the most part, he was catching the ball and holding on to it. I don't know why he has had so much trouble, given how large an object it is. If I was the strength coach, I would make him pass the medicine ball around every day for an hour, to strengthen his hands and wrists.

I agree, he held on to the ball tonight. He also dunked on a lob pass. I didn't know he could jump that high! I jumped out of my seat when he did that. Way to go Jorts!


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#35 Today, 04:09 AM
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...I just cringe when I read really uninformed posts.
The RLHS (Rob Lock Hands Syndrome) comment was about as boneheaded as we're likely to see here...so I suppose we need a RBPBA, category, which would of course stand for 'really boneheaded post by amateurs.

Rob Lock was NOT a gifted athlete...he wasn't quick as is usually required of a Division 1 Athlete, as anyone who watched him play could attest to. What he WAS, was a guy who gave all he could, AND averaged fewer turnovers per game for his career than, Kenny 'Sky' Walker.
Am I saying he was in the same universe? NO!...however, if we're going to crucify a guy who gave us four years of hard work, let's tell it like it is.
He averaged 1.367 Turnovers per game, while Kenny, (I LOVE HIM) Walker averaged 1.386 TPG. Did he have the same attention? No, did he attempt the same level of play, NO...we all know this, so why 'kick the guy in the balls', so to speak?
He ALSO, averaged hitting 53.8% of his field goals along the way and was on a team that went 32-4, giving us really solid post help.
Rob epitomized a player who worked VERY hard yet didn't have natural gifts--however his numbers were not, as suggested, anything to earn him this kind of demeaning moniker.

Hey, the 80/20 rule applies everywhere...the gifted make it happen, but couldn't, without the dedicated role players.
To put this in context, Winston Bennett averaged, 1.79 TO's per game...
Walter McCarty, 1.776 and recently, DeMarcus Cousins averaged > 2 per game.
So the next time one's tiny brains urges us to demean/ridicule a player who worked VERY hard, think first before posting.

"Here's to all the slower, shorter, less gifted among us who have labored long hours to contribute!"

Larry

You have your opinion and I have mine. I wasn't belittling Rob Lock but was making a comment about his hands of stone.

Having been up close and watching Lock every game at Rupp and some away games for the time he played at UK, Lock was noted for having bad hands or hands of stone. It was discussed in the media as well. It turned out that

Lock admitted to being lazy while at UK (his words) and he really didn't get into the game until he went to Europe where he became a top notch player. He was far more gifted than you give him credit for.

And you're a professional? At what? Belittling other's posts?

Here's some stats on Rob Lock. You'll not that several guards had more career rebounds.

Lock’s Career Stats At UK

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Lock_Robert.html

Game by Game Stats while at UK

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/Players/Lock_Robertgbg.html

UK career leaders for Blocked Shots

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/careerblockedshots.html

Kentucky Career Leaders in Rebounds

http://www.bigbluehistory.net/bb/Statistics/careerrebounds.html



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#36 Today, 12:59 PM
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Watchtower's post got me to thinking about stats (one of my favorite things when it's cold and snowy outside....).

On a per minute basis when comparing Josh's production so far this year to Daniel Orton's last year Josh comes out ahead.

Orton: .25 rebounds per minute. .26 points per minute
Josh: .38 rebounds per minute. .23 points per minute

Not that it really means anything, I just thought it was interesting. Plus, it was something to do while drinking my coffee and steeling my nerves for getting out in this nasty weather.


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#37 Today, 01:39 PM
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I give Jorts and Coach Cal credit for Jorts' obvious improvement. The China trip also helped. Coach Cal can form winning teams as well as he recruits and that is why these great high school recruits want to play for him. I am glad that Jorts is now realizing his best coach.

I appreciate all good comments of Rob Lock. His ex, Valerie Still Lock, is living in the shadows of Kansas Universtiy with their wonderful son, Aaron. It is my fondest hope that Aaron continues to develop into basketball greatness. Aaron will be 15 soon and has great size already and is still growing. Remember Rob was nearly seven feet tall and Valerie, a three time All American for UK and still the highest all time scorer, is six foot two. I don't want to see him at KU but hope he can come to UK. Mainly so that Jeanie and I can see our beautiful friend, Valerie at the UK games.


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